Doubting Bro

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  Poll - Will you accept blood?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

  *oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

  i will post the new one .

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  Doubting Bro

  I'm technically still a JW but yes, I would accept medically necessary blood. I would also authorize for my immediate family.

  One of the more emotional symbolic things I did while waking up was rip up my executed Advance Medical Directive. Fortunately, I never provided a copy to the congregation nor to any medical professionals. I was given a new one maybe a year ago and promptly torn up the blank copy.

  It was quite therapeutic to destroy that symbol of control over my individual decisions. The anger that boiled up when I thought about how many people died over this stupid policy was pretty intense. Their callous disregard for the individual members over a long held superstition is unreal and unchristian. It would be one thing to make it a conscious matter and not subject to congregation discipline and just speak in unfavorable terms. It's quite another to make the decision to use blood a disassociating item so basically you don't even get a JC.

  To the WT monitors, I know you don't care but if you believe in God, understand you will answer for all those deaths.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Wow, I'm surprised that such a relatively small insignificant group like JWs is getting this kind of pressure. But, if you look at the amount of liquid assets they have now with the sale of all those buildings in Brooklyn (public record) coupled with the big money grab from the local congregations that these firms could have easily done a quick internet search on sites like this, I guess they do make an attractive target.

  Really will get interesting.
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  Scientology: A War Without Guns' on ABC News 20/20 Tonight

  by Gayle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ‘scientology: a war without guns’ airs on abc news’ ‘20/20,’ friday, january 6. posted 1/5/2017 .

  ‘20/20’ reports on ex-members of the church of scientology: those who are crusading against it and others who still practice outside the church .

  actress leah remini sits down with anchor dan harris to discuss her fight against the church.

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  I absolutely love this Brooklyn girl. LOL - they really messed with the wrong person.
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  You wake up one morning and see

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the un has banned religion.

  what are you're thoughts?.

  also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.

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  Doubting Bro

  Who would care if the UN banned religion? They have no power over sovereign nations and just serve as a forum for debate.
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  I am glad to have found the true religion

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it really is great.

  i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

  i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

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  Doubting Bro

  Oh and by the way, Noah sinned greatly and his punishment was to not get his reward (entry into the promised land). So are you saying the GB won't get their heavenly reward as a result of their sins?
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  I am glad to have found the true religion

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it really is great.

  i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

  i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

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  Doubting Bro

  So wait, you are going to tell me, a third generation JW with the majority of my family members in (elders, pioneers, etc), that I don't know the repercussions of dropping out and you AREN'T EVEN BAPTIZED? LOL - that's like me telling a Scientologist not to worry about things if they left. You have no idea what you are talking about.

  And by the way, I don't need my friends to think like me on everything. I have friends of all different religions and no religion, friends that like different food than me, that like different sports teams, etc. The people I'm referring to I would have been friends with regardless of their religious beliefs. That's what friendship is, not a conditional relationship based on whether you agree on everything or not.
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  I am glad to have found the true religion

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it really is great.

  i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

  i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

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  Doubting Bro

  A Believer,

  I'm one of those sad souls you reference. I still attend because if I don't, I will lose my entire family and at least a portion of my social circle. Maybe you know me. I'm that ex-elder that decided to step down, never comments, and has a look of despair in his eyes. Likely, most people in the hall have already judged me that I've done something terrible to lose my position. When in fact, all I've done is looked at the facts and see that JWs are NOT the true religion and that such a think likely doesn't exist. So many of the doctrines don't add up and many of the recent changes don't jive with other current teaching making a bit of a mess. Yet, it's somehow my fault that I can't just smile and accept anything handed to me in direct contrast to Paul's advice.

  Yet I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing? Ok, if that's what you think. Meanwhile, I'm trying to live a good life and keep my extended family together. What's sad is that I have to pretend to be something I'm not because if I don't, everyone will shun me thinking they are helping.

  Oh, and by the way, you also are blaspheming against Jehovah by your very presence here in direct violation of the admonition given by the faithful slave to avoid sites like this. You should go to your elders and confess.
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  watchtower lapel pins

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been noticing lots of these pins on lapels.

  i could almost understand the jwdotorg pin because the new mantra is to go to the website.

  but why on earth are they sporting a building?

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  Doubting Bro

  While I've noticed them quite a bit over the last year or so, it's certainly not the oddest things some JWs do. I know I have a lapel pin from my company that I sometimes wear when on company business. Not sure this is any different. Although the point made earlier about it being the same as wearing a cross is spot on in my opinion.
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  Real Estate Business?

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.

  of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.

  its down sizing by selling the furniture.

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  Doubting Bro

  The problem with owning buildings and facilities is that it takes cash flow to maintain and operate them. You can't just buy a building and let it sit. It seems the WTS biggest issue is surrounding a lack of donations. Remember they said not too long ago that they spend more than is coming in.

  So what if they've decided to change their strategy on making money. Instead of investing in tax free real estate, they invest in other vehicles. We know they are involved in the stock/bond market. We know they go to hedge fund conferences, etc. Why not switch your model to be less reliant on real estate and more on otherwise passive investments. It's riskier but it's liquid and doesn't require cash flow to maintain. You just have to pay the advisers which is much cheaper than running a factory.

  Just a thought.
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  Mexico branch......Now closing!!!

  by krismalone in

  1. social
  2. current

  a circuit overseer friend of mine serving in latin america called me today to say hi.

  i asked him what's new and he dropped the news that they have received notification that the branch in mexico will be closing!!

  this branch also called the central american branch (although located in mexico) oversees all of mexico's 800,000+ publishers plus all 7 countries of central america of over 100,000 publishers.

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  Doubting Bro

  It seems plausible to me. Thanks for sharing the information.

  It would be very easy to direct Mexico/Central America from NY. As for the CO rumor, that has been circulating for some time in various forms and I would be shocked if they didn't get those guys off the payroll in the next few years. What I was surprised about was the elimination of the DO position. You could have local elders serve as the COs (either by committee or individually) but you will still need some sort of branch oversight. I could seem them changing the CO position to provide that oversight and speak at assemblies. Or you could also make it a volunteer position like an elder and make them support themselves.

  None of the items seem all that unbelievable to me.